Muslims claim: First to discover the earth is round and first to discover America. Wrong on both counts.

Muslims claim: First to discover the earth is round and first to discover America. Wrong on both counts.
The first claim:
Muslim scientists working around 1,200 years ago were the first to determine that the Earth is a sphere, Turkey’s science, industry and technology minister, becoming the latest Turkish official to inform the world about apparent scientific firsts on the part of Islamic world.

Speaking at a reception for business leader in the Central Anatolian province of Konya late Nov. 28, Minister Fikri Işık stressed the contributions of the Islamic world to science throughout history. “Some 700-800 years before Galileo, 71 Muslim scientists led by al-Khwarizmi convened by the order of the Caliph Al-Ma’mun and revealed that the Earth is a sphere,” he said. Işık added that a copy of the original document is currently in the Museum of Islamic Science and Technology in Istanbul. (Hurriet Daily News, Turkey, Nov 29, 2014).

This claim is easy to refute.
In the Holy Bible, the prophet Isaiah says in chapter 40, verse 22.
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
When Isaiah wrote this verse he used the Hebrew word “khug” to describe the shape of the earth. Although this word is commonly translated into the English word “circle,” the literal meaning of this word is “a sphere.”
This was written more than 2800 years ago. The earliest scroll of the Prophet Isaiah is from the Dead Sea Scrolls, and was copied about 125 B.C. clearly before there were any Muslims.

The second claim:

America was discovered by Muslims, not by Christopher Columbus, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has claimed, vowing to build a mosque “on that hill” in Cuba if the authorities of the Caribbean nation grant the permit.

Speaking at the closing ceremony of the first Latin American Muslim leaders summit in Istanbul on Nov. 15, Erdoğan slammed colonialism before referring to a controversial claim about the discovery of the Americas.

Muslim sailors had arrived in the shores of America in 1178. In his diaries, Christopher Columbus referred to the presence of a mosque on top of a mountain in Cuba,” Erdoğan said, claiming the diary is a proof that “the religion of Islam was widespread” when the first European explorer discovered the New World in 1492.

Dr. Youssef Mroueh of the As-Sunnah Foundation of America had publicized the claim about a pre-Columbian mosque in Cuba. In 1996, he wrote that “Columbus admitted in his papers that on Monday, October 21, 1492 CE while his ship was sailing near Gibara on the north-east coast of Cuba, he saw a mosque on top of a beautiful mountain.”

Some Muslim scholars aside, the same diary entry is widely understood as a metaphoric reference to a protuberance on the summit of a mountain that resembles a mosque’s dome or minaret. Moreover, although the first “widespread” habitation of the Americas is dated around 16,500–13,000 years ago, a pre-Columbian ruin of an Islamic structure has yet to be discovered.

What has been discovered though is at least one Viking settlement, in L’Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland, Canada. Vinland was first recorded by Adam of Bremen, a geographer and historian, in his book Descriptio insularum Aquilonis of approximately  A.D. 1075. Most of what is written about the Viking voyages to Vinland are from the two Icelandic sagas, The Saga of Eric the Red and the Saga of the Greenlanders. These Sagas, while written down about 250 years after the expeditions took place are believable, since they are backed up by archaeological finds, as opposed to the hill of the mosque.

To sum it up: The Holy Bible and the Vikings are more believable than the Muslims.

FDR Thanksgiving day proclamation 1942 versus BHO Thanksgiving day proclamation 2014. A timely reminder.

In the year 1942, with WWII raging and the outcome was far from certain, President Franklin D. Roosevelt made this Thanksgiving day proclamation:DSC_0415
By the President of the United States of America
A Proclamation
“It is a good thing to give thanks unto the Lord.” Across the uncertain ways of space and time our hearts echo those words, for the days are with us again when, at the gathering of the harvest, we solemnly express our dependence upon Almighty God.
The final months of this year, now almost spent, find our Republic and the Nations joined with it waging a battle on many fronts for the preservation of liberty.
In giving thanks for the greatest harvest in the history of our Nation, we who plant and reap can well resolve that in the year to come we will do all in our power to pass that milestone; for by our labors in the fields we can share some part of the sacrifice with our brothers and sons who wear the uniform of the United States.
It is fitting that we recall now the reverent words of George Washington, “Almighty God, we make our earnest prayer that Thou wilt keep the United States in Thy holy Protection,” and that every American in his own way lift his voice to heaven.
I recommend that all of us bear in mind this great Psalm:
“The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.
He restoreth my soul; he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name’s sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.”
Inspired with faith and courage by these words, let us turn again to the work that confronts us in this time of national emergency: in the armed services and the merchant marine; in factories and offices; on farms and in the mines; on highways, railways, and airways; in other places of public service to the Nation; and in our homes.
Now, Therefore, I, Franklin D. Roosevelt, President of the United States of America, do hereby invite the attention of the people to the joint resolution of Congress approved December 26, 1941, which designates the fourth Thursday in November of each year as Thanksgiving Day; and I request that both Thanksgiving Day, November 26, 1942, and New Year’s Day, January 1, 1943, be observed in prayer, publicly and privately.
FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT

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One generation has passed, and under similar circumstances, the war on Radical Islam has been waging since Sep 11 2001, ISIS is gaining strength, genocide against Christians and other religious minorities is increasing, riots, arson and anarchy in the streets, President Obama makes this
Presidential Proclamation — Thanksgiving Day, 2014
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BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

A PROCLAMATION
Thanksgiving Day invites us to reflect on the blessings we enjoy and the freedoms we cherish. As we gather with family and friends to take part in this uniquely American celebration, we give thanks for the extraordinary opportunities we have in a Nation of limitless possibilities, and we pay tribute to all those who defend our Union as members of our Armed Forces. This holiday reminds us to show compassion and concern for people we have never met and deep gratitude toward those who have sacrificed to help build the most prosperous Nation on earth. These traditions honor the rich history of our country and hold us together as one American family, no matter who we are or where we come from.

Nearly 400 years ago, a group of Pilgrims left their homeland and sailed across an ocean in pursuit of liberty and prosperity. With the friendship and kindness of the Wampanoag people, they learned to harvest the rich bounty of a new world.
Together, they shared a successful crop, celebrating bonds of community during a time of great hardship. Through times of war and of peace, the example of a Native tribe who extended a hand to a new people has endured. During the American Revolution and the Civil War, days of thanksgiving drew Americans together in prayer and in the spirit that guides us to better days, and in each year since, our Nation has paused to show our gratitude for our families, communities, and country.

With God’s grace, this holiday season we carry forward the legacy of our forebears. In the company of our loved ones, we give thanks for the people we care about and the joy we share, and we remember those who are less fortunate. At shelters and soup kitchens, Americans give meaning to the simple truth that binds us together: we are our brother’s and our sister’s keepers. We remember how a determined people set out for a better world — how through faith and the charity of others, they forged a new life built on freedom and opportunity.

The spirit of Thanksgiving is universal. It is found in small moments between strangers, reunions shared with friends and loved ones, and in quiet prayers for others. Within the heart of America’s promise burns the inextinguishable belief that together we can advance our common prosperity — that we can build a more hopeful, more just, and more unified Nation. This Thanksgiving, let us recall the values that unite our diverse country, and let us resolve to strengthen these lasting ties.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim Thursday, November 27, 2014, as a National Day of Thanksgiving. I encourage the people of the United States to join together — whether in our homes, places of worship, community centers, or any place of fellowship for friends and neighbors — and give thanks for all we have received in the past year, express appreciation to those whose lives enrich our own, and share our bounty with others.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this twenty-sixth day of November, in the year of our Lord two thousand fourteen, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-ninth.
BARACK OBAMA
The contrast could not be greater. The only reference left to God is God’s grace taken for granted. All the other references are about our dependence on each other, apart from God.
“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom”. While Obama speaks of getting together, his actions are driving us apart. This 2014 proclamation giving thanks to each other for a very successful year is not in the spirit of Thanksgiving, but is a symptom of the times we live in, “A Nation, divided, apart from God”.

Islam and death and the spread of Ebola.

Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh said: “We love death like our enemies love life!”

Thanks to Ebola they are about to get their wishes granted.

The key is in Sharia law and how a traditional Muslim funeral is conducted.

When a Muslim dies it is the duty of the whole family – immediate or extended to participate in and conduct the funeral. First the body must be ceremonially cleansed (ghushi) by the immediate family (of the same sex of course), then the body is clothed in a plain cloth (the kafan), followed by the Janazah prayer, consisting of among other words four Allahu Akbar. The prayer is conducted standing up, not prostrate as in the five daily prayers, and anybody in the community may show respect by reciting the prayers.

The grave is shallow and dug perpendicular to Mecca. The body is then laid bare and sideways with the head facing Mecca, packed down by first the immediate family then by an extended group.

So we now have the whole family, and then potentially the whole community exposed to Ebola. This spreads from village to village until all are infected.

Into this Obama is sending 4000 battle trained troops to combat Ebola, but he is not issuing a travel ban.

This information is common knowledge  (I took it from Wikipedia), but other sources corroborate this and are far more detailed. (And scary, knowing how contagious Ebola is).

Why is there no outcry from the world medical authorities about this? Are they so afraid to be called islamophobic that they cannot speak out?wEbola_graphic2

And where is the press?

Here is a map of the most infected countries.

It started in southern Guinea, a Muslim country, then spread to North West Liberia, also Muslim province.

 

The water on Earth predates the sun. The bible tells me so.

There was an interesting headline in Los Angeles Times’ Science Now:

Water on Earth predates the solar system, and even the sun.

There is nothing new under the sun.

God Himself told us so in the Holy Bible.

Genesis 1:1-3(NKJV)

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. 3Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

So it should come as no surprise that the water was there before the sun was formed.

Now the scientific paper in Science  from which Los Angeles Times quoted says it in scientific terms in its abstract: (by  L. Ilsedore CleevesEdwin A. BerginConel M. O’D. AlexanderFujun DuDawn GraningerKarin I. ÖbergTim J. Harries)

“Identifying the source of Earth’s water is central to understanding the origins of life-fostering environments and to assessing the prevalence of such environments in space. Water throughout the solar system exhibits deuterium-to-hydrogen enrichments, a fossil relic of low-temperature, ion-derived chemistry within either (i) the parent molecular cloud or (ii) the solar nebula protoplanetary disk. Using a comprehensive treatment of disk ionization, we find that ion-driven deuterium pathways are inefficient, which curtails the disk’s deuterated water formation and its viability as the sole source for the solar system’s water. This finding implies that, if the solar system’s formation was typical, abundant interstellar ices are available to all nascent planetary systems.”

The editor of Science tries to simplify it so all can understand:

Nature or nurture for solar system ices?

“We know that life’s favorite molecule, water, exists throughout the solar system. What we don’t know is whether present water levels reflect the chemical conditions of our parent nebula or whether they result from later reprocessing in the young system. The levels of deuterium and hydrogen in solar system water ice offer a tracer for chemical history, and Cleeves et al. model the processes at play. The analysis suggests that all nascent planetary systems may have the same water resources that we did.”

Science, this issue p. 1590

Methinks the beginning of the Holy Bible gives the best explanation of how Creation happened, completely void of scientific jargon.

In those three verses God establishes His principles:

In the Beginning – There was a beginning.

God – God was before the beginning of time and space.

Created – God Created all in the beginning

The Heavens and the Earth. – Yes, indeed every matter.

The earth was without form – Not even the sphere was formed.

And void -No life yet.

And darkness was on the face of the deep – No light was yet started, only matter, especially water.

And The Spirit of God hovered over the waters – The Holy Spirit – God’s Spirit was there at Creation forming everything.

And God Said – Here is introduced the Word that later became flesh and dwelt among us. Jesus Christ was present and active during creation.

Let there be Light – And so, the creation of life could begin.

 

 

 

ISIS, the true followers of the Quran.

ISIS, the true followers of the Quran.

To begin to understand what motivates a group like the Islamic State (of Iraq and Syria) one has to go back all the way to the year 629 A.D. when Muhammad led his gang  of soldiers much like ISIS is doing today, and we come to the battle of Khaybar, an oasis 90 miles from Medina, settled by Jews enjoying the abundant water and vegetation. The  Muslims had started the siege in 628 and failed, so they tried to go to Mecca instead, but failed, which resulted in the Treaty of Hudaybiyya which was very humiliating. They renewed their efforts to take Khaybar,  finally succeeded, took loot, beheaded the men, took the women as slaves or wives. Muhammad took the most beautiful woman for himself and married her (Safiyah).

However, a young Jewish servant girl, whose family had been wiped out during or after the battle prepared a lamb (or goat) dish laced with poison  for Muhammad to eat. Neither Muhammad, nor his faithful “revealer” Gabriel saw it coming, so he ate from it, got poisoned and became even more vindictive than before. He even made one of his wives eat of it even though she was fasting, and she died.

After the Jews surrendered they were allowed to stay if they paid half their produce as tribute to the Muslims. This was the beginning  of Jizya (the unbelievers tax).

Muhammad, now poisoned, was not satisfied with the win, but sought to consolidate the Arabian Peninsula, but Mecca was yet not conquered. It was around this time that Sura 9  (the repentance, or Immunity) was written. It is the only Sura without the secret code of:  “In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful.” As an introduction. It therefore starts directly declaring immunity for the believers in the coming war. This must mean that Surah 9 is not a message from God, but from Muhammad. In his poisoned state he pours it on telling his followers to go after the unbelievers. Here are some of the verses: (Translation from SahihMuslim.org)

Surah 9:1. Freedom from (all) obligations (is declared) from Allah and His Messenger  to those of the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah), with whom you made a treaty.

9:3 And a declaration from Allah and His Messenger to mankind on the greatest day (the 10th of Dhul-Hijjah – the 12th month of Islamic calendar) that Allah is free from (all) obligations to the Mushrikun and so is His Messenger. So if you (Mushrikun) repent, it is better for you, but if you turn away, then know that you cannot escape (from the Punishment of) Allah. And give tidings (O Muhammad ) of a painful torment to those who disbelieve.

9:5 Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

9:23 O you who believe! Take not for Auliya’ (supporters and helpers) your fathers and your brothers if they prefer disbelief to Belief. And whoever of you does so, then he is one of the Zalimun (wrong-doers, etc.).(This means, do not make friends or alliances with non-Muslims )

9:28 O you who believe (in Allah’s Oneness and in His Messenger (Muhammad )! Verily, the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah, and in the Message of Muhammad ) are Najasun (impure) . So let them not come near Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah) after this year, and if you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you if He will, out of His Bounty. Surely, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.

9:29 Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

9:33 It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad ) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it).

9:36 Verily, the number of (lunar) months with Allah is twelve months (in a year), so was it ordained by Allah on the Day when He created the heavens and the earth; of them four are Sacred, (i.e. the 1st, the 7th, the 11th and the 12th months of the Islamic calendar). That is the right religion, so wrong not yourselves therein, and fight against the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) collectively , as they fight against you collectively. But know that Allah is with those who are Al-Muttaqun (the pious).

9:37 The postponing (of a Sacred Month) is indeed an addition to disbelief: thereby the disbelievers are led astray, for they make it lawful one year and forbid it another year in order to adjust the number of months forbidden by Allah, and make such forbidden ones lawful. The evil of their deeds seems pleasing to them. And Allah guides not the people, who disbelieve. (This means using a 365-day solar calendar in lieu of a 354-day lunar calendar is a “grossly impious practice.” It is also a problem in the Arctic region when the month ofRamadan falls in the winter or summer.)

9:39 If you march not forth, He will punish you with a painful torment and will replace you by another people, and you cannot harm Him at all, and Allah is Able to do all things.

9:41 March forth, whether you are light (being healthy, young and wealthy) or heavy (being ill, old and poor), strive hard with your wealth and your lives in the Cause of Allah. This is better for you, if you but knew.

9:60 As-Sadaqat (here it means Zakat) are only for the Fuqara’ (poor), and Al-Masakin (the poor) and those employed to collect (the funds); and for to attract the hearts of those who have been inclined (towards Islam); and to free the captives; and for those in debt; and for Allah’s Cause (i.e. for Mujahidun – those fighting in the holy wars), and for the wayfarer (a traveller who is cut off from everything); a duty imposed by Allah. And Allah is All-Knower, All-Wise.

9:111 Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allah’s Cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) and the Qur’an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah? Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the supreme success .

9:121 Nor do they spend anything (in Allah’s Cause) – small or great – nor cross a valley, but is written to their credit, that Allah may recompense them with the best of what they used to do (i.e. Allah will reward their good deeds according to the reward of their best deeds which they did in the most perfect manner).

9:123 O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who are the Al-Muttaqun (the pious).

This is what the Quran really says. Some of the words mean different things to different Muslims, but to ISIS, only the most harsh interpretation will do. It is 632 A.D. all over again. The difference is that ISIS have fully modern weapons, including the weapons of Mass Destruction that were not found in Iraq but had been moved to Syria just before the Iraq war.

They are called ISIS, meaning Iraq and Syria, then they changed it to ISIL which means Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan and part of Turkey.

Obama started to use the term ISIL rather than ISIS, giving tacit acknowledgement to their claim on Israel. Now they want to be called IS which means THE Islamic State (of the world).

This must not stand!

Fundamentalist Christianity vs . Fundamentalist Islam; What difference does it make?

Fundamentalist Christianity vs . Fundamentalist Islam; What difference does it make?
A few years ago when Rosie was on “the View” she made the following statement: “Fundamentalist Christianity and Fundamentalist Islam: There is NO difference!”
Now I am a fundamentalist Christian. I was not always one, nor did I know what it meant. Reading through the Bible (I always loved old Christian music and playing a record of a cantata of J.S. Bach over and over one night I realized he knew something I do not know, I must find out what that is) I started to read the Gospel of Matthew. Nothing moved me until chapter 27: 62 -65 Now on the next day, the day after the preparation, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered together with Pilate, 63 and said, “Sir, we remember that when He was still alive that deceiver said, ‘After three days I am to rise again.’ 64 Therefore, give orders for the grave to be made secure until the third day, otherwise His disciples may come and steal Him away and say to the people, ‘He has risen from the dead,’ and the last deception will be worse than the first.” 65 Pilate said to them, “You have a guard; go, make it as secure as you know how.”

That was when it hit me. I believed in God, but like the Pharisees I made sure Jesus was not risen, certainly not bodily. I liked the concept, but refused to accept the reality. What convinced me was the honesty in the language “that deceiver”, referring to the Lord Jesus. The Pharisees could only have said that if they in some way believed but refused to accept the claim he was to rise again. In a flash I saw my problem: If Jesus is not risen I miss out on Christianity.
The other thing that made me believe the Bible to be true was the Dead Sea Scrolls. As a child I had been told the book of Isaiah had been written after Christ. There was no other way to explain the many prophesies other than to say it had been modified after the birth of Christ. Then they found a complete scroll of Isaiah written at least 140 B.C. This convinced me the whole bible is true.
These are the five pillars of Christian Fundamentalism:
• The inerrancy of the Bible in the original languages
• The literal nature of the Biblical accounts, especially in regard to Christ’s miracles
• The Virgin Birth of Christ
• The substitutionary atonement of Christ on the cross
• The bodily resurrection and physical return of Christ
That is it. That defines  Christian Fundamentalism.

These are the five pillars of Islam:

  1. Shahadah: declaring there is no god except God, and Muhammad is God’s Messenger
  2. Salat: ritual prayer five times a day at precise times determined by local sun time, not standard time, facing Mecca.
  3. Zakat: giving 2.5% of one’s wealth to the poor and needy yearly, 1/8th of which must go to Jihad (Struggle or Holy War)
  4. Sawm: fasting and self-control during the holy month of Ramadan, which occur 11 days earlier every year, making 103 Ramadans/century.
  5. Hajj: pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in a lifetime  if one is able.

Islamic fundamentalism may be best defined by what they do not believe in:
• Freedom from religious police.
• Equality issues between men and women.
• Separation of religion and state.
• Freedom of speech.
• Freedom of religion.

But Islamic Fundamentalists do believe:

Death to apostates.

Death (fatwa) to anyone insulting the Prophet.

Death to the Jews.

Death to Christians that do not acknowledge the superiority of Islam and Muhammad and do not pay the protection tax.

Death to converts to Christianity.

Sharia law is supreme to all other laws, and shall be practiced in all Islamic countries.

Islam is the religion of peace, and peace will come when the whole world is under Islam.

They believe the Bible is corrupted but the Quran is true to the last letter.

They believe the accounts of the Old Testament (the Book) when they do not conflict with the Quran.
They do believe in the virgin birth of Christ. (We can agree about something).
They do NOT believe Christ died on the Cross (it only seemed so unto the Jews), no substitutionary atonement exists. That is why the cross is so offensive to Muslims.
They believe Christ was directly translated to God, but since he never died he could not have been resurrected.
They believe Christ will return again and tell all Muhammad is greater, and that all crosses must be destroyed.
They believe Jesus was a Muslim (as was Moses and Abraham).

How do you become a Muslim convert?

Recite the Shahada in front of witnesses.

It is to be noted that President Obama has recited publicly the Shahada with a perfect Arab accent.

Therefore he is a Muslim to all Muslims.

 

 The Muslim Brotherhood’s slogan:  “Allah is its goal, the Prophet is the model, the Qur’an its constitution, jihad its path, and death for the sake of Allah its most sublime belief.”

 

 

 

 

What is salvation, and is water baptism essential for salvation?

What is salvation, and is water baptism essential for salvation?

Someone posed the question: The mantra of many believers in Christ is “Water baptism is important, however, it is not essential for any ones salvation.”

Can you envision Jesus saying that?

To answer the question properly one first have to determine the true nature of God, Man, Salvation and Baptism, in that order. I will try to use only Scripture to present best case, as I understand it.

First: Who is GOD?

Genesis 1:1-3 King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

This tells about the triune nature of God. There was a beginning. God precedes the beginning of time, which means God existed before creation of time and space. Since we are bound in time and space we cannot comprehend anything outside time and space, so I leave it at that. God exists in three persons, God the Father and Creator, God the Son which is the Word (John 1:1), the Word of God being the active ingredient in Creation, and God the Holy Spirit that moved upon the face of the waters. This defines the triune nature of God.

Second, the nature of Man (male and female created He them).

Genesis 2:And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Man was formed out of the dust of the ground, and God breathed into him the breath of life, he became a living soul.

Man consists of three parts, they all work together to form the complete person, body soul and spirit. When God said in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die, what did He mean? Adam lived a long time after he ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God referred to spiritual death. The day we eat of the forbidden fruit the Spirit dies, but the body and soul keeps on ticking until physical death.

Now we are ready to tackle the concept of Salvation.

Like God and Man, there are three aspects of Salvation, Salvation of the Body, Salvation of the Soul, and salvation of the Spirit. And there are the tenses: past, present and future.

John 3: 1-6 (KJV) tells about two births:

There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Born again is literally from Greek “born from above”, which signifies spiritual birth. Born of water and of the Spirit signifies natural birth after the water breaks and spiritual birth, which comes from God.

When does salvation come?

Past tense:   Ephesians 2:8-9 (NIV)For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.

Present tense: Philippians2:12  Terefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,

Future tense: Hebrews 1:14

Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

 

Salvation of the Spirit from the penalty of Sin: 2 Corinthians 5:17

 

 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

 

Salvation of the soul from the Power of Sin:1 Peter 1:8-9 (NIV)

Though you have not seen him (Jesus), you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls.

Salvation of the body from the presence of sin: Romans 8:23

 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies.

Now we are ready to tackle Baptism and its role in salvation.

Matthew 3:11 states: “I (John) baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Like God, man and salvation is threefold, so can baptism be seen as threefold as the previous verse states.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For we were all baptized by one Spiritso as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

Acts 10:47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”

1 Corinthians 3:15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. (As close to baptism by fire I can get)

The correspondence here is Holy Spirit Baptism corresponds to Salvation of the Spirit, eternally secure once enacted;

Water Baptism corresponds to Salvation of the Soul, an act of obedience to His command and a witness to the people.

Baptism by Fire then corresponds to the Salvation of the Body, yet to be performed for us living.

There is one more aspect of salvation: Luke 11:37 When Jesus had finished speaking, a Pharisee invited him to eat with him; so he went in and reclined at the table. 38 But the Pharisee was surprised when he noticed that Jesus did not first wash before the meal.

39 Then the Lord said to him, “Now then, you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. 40 You foolish people! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also? 41 But now as for what is inside you—be generous to the poor, and everything will be clean for you.

The word translated wash here is the Greek word baptize so Jesus answered in a way that water baptism is not the important thing, it is the ceremonial aspect of cleansing, but it is the attitude towards God that counts.

To sum up: Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

To sum it up:

One God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

One Man: Body, Soul and Spirit.

One Salvation: Salvation of the Spirit, Salvation of the Soul, and Salvation of the Body.

One Baptism: Baptism with the Holy Spirit, Baptism with Water, and Baptism with Fire.

And one more thing: Salvation is accepted by faith, executed in time by love, and our final redemption is our hope and anchor.

So to answer the question posed in the beginning: Jesus said to the repenting robber on the cross: “I tell you the truth: Today you shall be with me in paradise.” No time or need for water baptism there.